# Early fights that made you think a fighter would be great / were you right or wrong **URL:** \ **Category:** UltimateGround\ **Created:** [December 16, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/early-fights-that-made-you-think-a-fighter-would-be-great-were-you-right-or-wrong/16572 "2024-12-16T18:17:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![MataMan](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/og.discourse.group/mataman/32/669_2.png) [@MataMan](https://og.discourse.group/u/MataMan)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 3:22am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/early-fights-that-made-you-think-a-fighter-would-be-great-were-you-right-or-wrong/16572/61 "2024-12-17T03:22:56Z")
If Cung Le would have used his kicks more wisely(?) Five minute rounds were too hard to keep his traditional style. Was glad he tested himself in MMA. | Res. | Record | Opponent | Method | Event | Date | Round | Time | Location | Notes | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | Loss | 9–3 | [Michael Bisping](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bisping) | TKO (knee and punches) | [UFC Fight Night: Bisping vs. Le](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Bisping_vs._Le) | August 23, 2014 | 4 | 0:57 | [Macau](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macau), [SAR](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_administrative_regions_of_China), China | | | Win | 9–2 | [Rich Franklin](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Franklin) | KO (punch) | [UFC on Fuel TV: Franklin vs. Le](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_on_Fuel_TV:_Franklin_vs._Le) | November 10, 2012 | 1 | 2:17 | [Macau](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macau), [SAR](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_administrative_regions_of_China), China | Knockout of the Night; Knockout of the Year (2012). | | Win | 8–2 | [Patrick Côté](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_C%C3%B4t%C3%A9_(fighter)) | Decision (unanimous) | [UFC 148](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_148) | July 7, 2012 | 3 | 5:00 | [Las Vegas, Nevada](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas,_Nevada), United States | | | Loss | 7–2 | [Wanderlei Silva](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanderlei_Silva) | TKO (knees and punches) | [UFC 139](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_139) | November 19, 2011 | 2 | 4:49 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | Fight of the Night. | | Win | 7–1 | [Scott Smith](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Smith_(fighter)) | KO (body kick) | [Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Werdum](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Fedor_vs._Werdum) | June 26, 2010 | 2 | 1:46 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | | Loss | 6–1 | [Scott Smith](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Smith_(fighter)) | KO/TKO (punches)[[45]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cung_Le#cite_note-45) | [Strikeforce: Evolution](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Evolution) | December 19, 2009 | 3 | 3:25 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | | Win | 6–0 | [Frank Shamrock](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Shamrock) | TKO (broken arm) | [Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Le](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Shamrock_vs._Le) | March 29, 2008 | 3 | 5:00 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | Won the [Strikeforce Middleweight Championship](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Strikeforce_champions#Middleweight_Championship). Later vacated title. Fight of the Year (2008). | | Win | 5–0 | [Sam Morgan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Morgan_(fighter)) | KO (body kick) | [Strikeforce: Four Men Enter, One Man Survives](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Four_Men_Enter,_One_Man_Survives) | November 16, 2007 | 3 | 1:58 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | | Win | 4–0 | [Tony Fryklund](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Fryklund) | KO (punch) | [Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Baroni](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Shamrock_vs._Baroni) | June 22, 2007 | 3 | 0:25 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | | Win | 3–0 | [Jason Von Flue](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Von_Flue) | TKO (doctor stoppage) | [Strikeforce: Triple Threat](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Triple_Threat) | December 8, 2006 | 1 | 0:43 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | | Win | 2–0 | Brian Warren | TKO (punches) | [Strikeforce: Revenge](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Revenge) | June 9, 2006 | 1 | 4:19 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | | Win | 1–0 | Mike Altman | KO (punch) | [Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Gracie](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Shamrock_vs._Gracie) | March 10, 2006 | | | | | ---
**Author:** ![Gartlin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f19dbf/32.png) [@Gartlin](https://og.discourse.group/u/Gartlin)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 3:59am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/early-fights-that-made-you-think-a-fighter-would-be-great-were-you-right-or-wrong/16572/62 "2024-12-17T03:59:13Z")
Jon Jones. From his first fight in the ufc I was already not able to imagine anyone beating him. I’ve been waiting and wishing for it to happen ever since. ---
**Author:** ![Song2](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/og.discourse.group/song2/32/7100_2.png) [@Song2](https://og.discourse.group/u/Song2)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 9:24am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/early-fights-that-made-you-think-a-fighter-would-be-great-were-you-right-or-wrong/16572/63 "2024-12-17T09:24:58Z")
> [@MataMan](#): > > If Cung Le would have used his kicks more wisely(?) Five minute rounds were too hard to keep his traditional style. > > Was glad he tested himself in MMA. > > | Res. | Record | Opponent | Method | Event | Date | Round | Time | Location | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | Loss | 9–3 | [Michael Bisping](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bisping) | TKO (knee and punches) | [UFC Fight Night: Bisping vs. Le](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Bisping_vs._Le) | August 23, 2014 | 4 | 0:57 | [Macau](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macau), [SAR](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_administrative_regions_of_China), China | | > | Win | 9–2 | [Rich Franklin](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Franklin) | KO (punch) | [UFC on Fuel TV: Franklin vs. Le](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_on_Fuel_TV:_Franklin_vs._Le) | November 10, 2012 | 1 | 2:17 | [Macau](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macau), [SAR](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_administrative_regions_of_China), China | Knockout of the Night; Knockout of the Year (2012). | > | Win | 8–2 | [Patrick Côté](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_C%C3%B4t%C3%A9_(fighter)) | Decision (unanimous) | [UFC 148](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_148) | July 7, 2012 | 3 | 5:00 | [Las Vegas, Nevada](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas,_Nevada), United States | | > | Loss | 7–2 | [Wanderlei Silva](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanderlei_Silva) | TKO (knees and punches) | [UFC 139](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_139) | November 19, 2011 | 2 | 4:49 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | Fight of the Night. | > | Win | 7–1 | [Scott Smith](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Smith_(fighter)) | KO (body kick) | [Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Werdum](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Fedor_vs._Werdum) | June 26, 2010 | 2 | 1:46 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > | Loss | 6–1 | [Scott Smith](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Smith_(fighter)) | KO/TKO (punches)[[45]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cung_Le#cite_note-45) | [Strikeforce: Evolution](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Evolution) | December 19, 2009 | 3 | 3:25 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > | Win | 6–0 | [Frank Shamrock](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Shamrock) | TKO (broken arm) | [Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Le](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Shamrock_vs._Le) | March 29, 2008 | 3 | 5:00 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | Won the [Strikeforce Middleweight Championship](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Strikeforce_champions#Middleweight_Championship). Later vacated title. Fight of the Year (2008). | > | Win | 5–0 | [Sam Morgan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Morgan_(fighter)) | KO (body kick) | [Strikeforce: Four Men Enter, One Man Survives](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Four_Men_Enter,_One_Man_Survives) | November 16, 2007 | 3 | 1:58 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > | Win | 4–0 | [Tony Fryklund](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Fryklund) | KO (punch) | [Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Baroni](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Shamrock_vs._Baroni) | June 22, 2007 | 3 | 0:25 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > | Win | 3–0 | [Jason Von Flue](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Von_Flue) | TKO (doctor stoppage) | [Strikeforce: Triple Threat](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Triple_Threat) | December 8, 2006 | 1 | 0:43 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > | Win | 2–0 | Brian Warren | TKO (punches) | [Strikeforce: Revenge](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Revenge) | June 9, 2006 | 1 | 4:19 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > | Win | 1–0 | Mike Altman | KO (punch) | [Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Gracie](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Shamrock_vs._Gracie) | March 10, 2006 | | | | | Bisping retired the druggy ---
**Author:** ![lurking10er](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/og.discourse.group/lurking10er/32/3785_2.png) [@lurking10er](https://og.discourse.group/u/lurking10er)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 10:52am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/early-fights-that-made-you-think-a-fighter-would-be-great-were-you-right-or-wrong/16572/64 "2024-12-17T10:52:34Z")
> [@MataMan](#): > > If Cung Le would have used his kicks more wisely(?) Five minute rounds were too hard to keep his traditional style. > > Was glad he tested himself in MMA. > > | Res. | Record | Opponent | Method | Event | Date | Round | Time | Location | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | Loss | 9–3 | [Michael Bisping](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bisping) | TKO (knee and punches) | [UFC Fight Night: Bisping vs. Le](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Bisping_vs._Le) | August 23, 2014 | 4 | 0:57 | [Macau](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macau), [SAR](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_administrative_regions_of_China), China | | > | Win | 9–2 | [Rich Franklin](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Franklin) | KO (punch) | [UFC on Fuel TV: Franklin vs. Le](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_on_Fuel_TV:_Franklin_vs._Le) | November 10, 2012 | 1 | 2:17 | [Macau](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macau), [SAR](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_administrative_regions_of_China), China | Knockout of the Night; Knockout of the Year (2012). | > | Win | 8–2 | [Patrick Côté](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_C%C3%B4t%C3%A9_(fighter)) | Decision (unanimous) | [UFC 148](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_148) | July 7, 2012 | 3 | 5:00 | [Las Vegas, Nevada](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas,_Nevada), United States | | > | Loss | 7–2 | [Wanderlei Silva](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanderlei_Silva) | TKO (knees and punches) | [UFC 139](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_139) | November 19, 2011 | 2 | 4:49 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | Fight of the Night. | > | Win | 7–1 | [Scott Smith](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Smith_(fighter)) | KO (body kick) | [Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Werdum](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Fedor_vs._Werdum) | June 26, 2010 | 2 | 1:46 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > | Loss | 6–1 | [Scott Smith](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Smith_(fighter)) | KO/TKO (punches)[[45]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cung_Le#cite_note-45) | [Strikeforce: Evolution](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Evolution) | December 19, 2009 | 3 | 3:25 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > | Win | 6–0 | [Frank Shamrock](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Shamrock) | TKO (broken arm) | [Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Le](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Shamrock_vs._Le) | March 29, 2008 | 3 | 5:00 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | Won the [Strikeforce Middleweight Championship](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Strikeforce_champions#Middleweight_Championship). Later vacated title. Fight of the Year (2008). | > | Win | 5–0 | [Sam Morgan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Morgan_(fighter)) | KO (body kick) | [Strikeforce: Four Men Enter, One Man Survives](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Four_Men_Enter,_One_Man_Survives) | November 16, 2007 | 3 | 1:58 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > | Win | 4–0 | [Tony Fryklund](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Fryklund) | KO (punch) | [Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Baroni](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Shamrock_vs._Baroni) | June 22, 2007 | 3 | 0:25 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > | Win | 3–0 | [Jason Von Flue](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Von_Flue) | TKO (doctor stoppage) | [Strikeforce: Triple Threat](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Triple_Threat) | December 8, 2006 | 1 | 0:43 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > | Win | 2–0 | Brian Warren | TKO (punches) | [Strikeforce: Revenge](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Revenge) | June 9, 2006 | 1 | 4:19 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > | Win | 1–0 | Mike Altman | KO (punch) | [Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Gracie](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Shamrock_vs._Gracie) | March 10, 2006 | | | | | Still amazed Cung beat Rich. ---
**Author:** ![Song2](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/og.discourse.group/song2/32/7100_2.png) [@Song2](https://og.discourse.group/u/Song2)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 11:28am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/early-fights-that-made-you-think-a-fighter-would-be-great-were-you-right-or-wrong/16572/65 "2024-12-17T11:28:27Z")
> [@lurking10er](#): > > > [@MataMan](#): > > > > If Cung Le would have used his kicks more wisely(?) Five minute rounds were too hard to keep his traditional style. > > > > Was glad he tested himself in MMA. > > > > | Res. | Record | Opponent | Method | Event | Date | Round | Time | Location | Notes | > > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > > | Loss | 9–3 | [Michael Bisping](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bisping) | TKO (knee and punches) | [UFC Fight Night: Bisping vs. Le](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Bisping_vs._Le) | August 23, 2014 | 4 | 0:57 | [Macau](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macau), [SAR](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_administrative_regions_of_China), China | | > > | Win | 9–2 | [Rich Franklin](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Franklin) | KO (punch) | [UFC on Fuel TV: Franklin vs. Le](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_on_Fuel_TV:_Franklin_vs._Le) | November 10, 2012 | 1 | 2:17 | [Macau](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macau), [SAR](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_administrative_regions_of_China), China | Knockout of the Night; Knockout of the Year (2012). | > > | Win | 8–2 | [Patrick Côté](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_C%C3%B4t%C3%A9_(fighter)) | Decision (unanimous) | [UFC 148](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_148) | July 7, 2012 | 3 | 5:00 | [Las Vegas, Nevada](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas,_Nevada), United States | | > > | Loss | 7–2 | [Wanderlei Silva](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanderlei_Silva) | TKO (knees and punches) | [UFC 139](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_139) | November 19, 2011 | 2 | 4:49 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | Fight of the Night. | > > | Win | 7–1 | [Scott Smith](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Smith_(fighter)) | KO (body kick) | [Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Werdum](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Fedor_vs._Werdum) | June 26, 2010 | 2 | 1:46 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > > | Loss | 6–1 | [Scott Smith](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Smith_(fighter)) | KO/TKO (punches)[[45]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cung_Le#cite_note-45) | [Strikeforce: Evolution](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Evolution) | December 19, 2009 | 3 | 3:25 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > > | Win | 6–0 | [Frank Shamrock](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Shamrock) | TKO (broken arm) | [Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Le](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Shamrock_vs._Le) | March 29, 2008 | 3 | 5:00 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | Won the [Strikeforce Middleweight Championship](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Strikeforce_champions#Middleweight_Championship). Later vacated title. Fight of the Year (2008). | > > | Win | 5–0 | [Sam Morgan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Morgan_(fighter)) | KO (body kick) | [Strikeforce: Four Men Enter, One Man Survives](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Four_Men_Enter,_One_Man_Survives) | November 16, 2007 | 3 | 1:58 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > > | Win | 4–0 | [Tony Fryklund](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Fryklund) | KO (punch) | [Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Baroni](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Shamrock_vs._Baroni) | June 22, 2007 | 3 | 0:25 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > > | Win | 3–0 | [Jason Von Flue](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Von_Flue) | TKO (doctor stoppage) | [Strikeforce: Triple Threat](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Triple_Threat) | December 8, 2006 | 1 | 0:43 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > > | Win | 2–0 | Brian Warren | TKO (punches) | [Strikeforce: Revenge](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Revenge) | June 9, 2006 | 1 | 4:19 | [San Jose, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California), United States | | > > | Win | 1–0 | Mike Altman | KO (punch) | [Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Gracie](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Shamrock_vs._Gracie) | March 10, 2006 | | | | | > > Still amazed Cung beat Rich. Why, he beat frank ---
**Author:** ![Song2](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/og.discourse.group/song2/32/7100_2.png) [@Song2](https://og.discourse.group/u/Song2)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 11:30am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/early-fights-that-made-you-think-a-fighter-would-be-great-were-you-right-or-wrong/16572/66 "2024-12-17T11:30:43Z")
Michael falcon. only fought once in the UFC but there was a hand speed there that made them cunts on the matrix jealous. Legal issues in USA iirc. Can’t remember much after apart from him and his mate getting beat down very badly in gas station CCTV in Brazil ---
**Author:** ![mindless\_optimism](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b77776/32.png) [@mindless\_optimism](https://og.discourse.group/u/mindless_optimism)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 12:54pm UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/early-fights-that-made-you-think-a-fighter-would-be-great-were-you-right-or-wrong/16572/67 "2024-12-17T12:54:39Z")
that’s a bit rough. from what i remember he put on a couple of absolute masterclasses late in his ufc run. the true tailend of his career doesn’t reflect how good he was. similar in that way to Anderson. ---
**Author:** ![MataMan](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/og.discourse.group/mataman/32/669_2.png) [@MataMan](https://og.discourse.group/u/MataMan)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 2:05pm UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/early-fights-that-made-you-think-a-fighter-would-be-great-were-you-right-or-wrong/16572/68 "2024-12-17T14:05:44Z")
> [@Song2](#): > > Bisping retired the druggy Didn’t know UFC recinded Le’s suspension. How does an organization Fook up a drug test? ![Tea Smh GIF by MOODMAN](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/uploads/og/original/3X/8/4/845f753352f41f99b0f9d8973e9a03e816236623.webp) [UFC rescinds Cung Le's suspension after drug testing called into question | FOX Sports](https://www.foxsports.com/stories/ufc/ufc-rescinds-cung-les-suspension-after-drug-testing-called-into-question) ---
**Author:** ![MataMan](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/og.discourse.group/mataman/32/669_2.png) [@MataMan](https://og.discourse.group/u/MataMan)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 2:19pm UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/early-fights-that-made-you-think-a-fighter-would-be-great-were-you-right-or-wrong/16572/69 "2024-12-17T14:19:49Z")
> [@Gartlin](#): > > Jon Jones. From his first fight in the ufc I was already not able to imagine anyone beating him. I’ve been waiting and wishing for it to happen ever since. Low Blow Jones Jones was still working on his striking, he didn’t throw the eye-poke even once this fight. The low blows were on point but the eye-poking was still in development. [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/uploads/og/original/3X/7/a/7a928e26824b1ff7e6676e0e0b5f93dd24a04139.jpeg "UFC Debut: Jon Jones vs Andre Gusmao | Free Fight") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONurh1UOQHg) ---
**Author:** ![UnderGod](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/og.discourse.group/undergod/32/2634_2.png) [@UnderGod](https://og.discourse.group/u/UnderGod)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 1:43am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/early-fights-that-made-you-think-a-fighter-would-be-great-were-you-right-or-wrong/16572/70 "2024-12-18T01:43:20Z")
Looks like a fairly blatant eye rake at 5:45 (time stamped…) [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/uploads/og/original/3X/7/a/7a928e26824b1ff7e6676e0e0b5f93dd24a04139.jpeg "UFC Debut: Jon Jones vs Andre Gusmao | Free Fight") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONurh1UOQHg&t=345) ---
**Author:** ![MataMan](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/og.discourse.group/mataman/32/669_2.png) [@MataMan](https://og.discourse.group/u/MataMan)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 4:22am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/early-fights-that-made-you-think-a-fighter-would-be-great-were-you-right-or-wrong/16572/71 "2024-12-18T04:22:40Z")
> [@UnderGod](#): > > Looks like a fairly blatant eye rake at 5:45 (time stamped…) Good eye… ![eye wink GIF by Cartoon Hangover](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/uploads/og/original/3X/0/7/079b306a93df46540b9ddba34e30fedfa4183b39.webp) ---
**Author:** ![MataMan](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/og.discourse.group/mataman/32/669_2.png) [@MataMan](https://og.discourse.group/u/MataMan)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 7:02pm UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/early-fights-that-made-you-think-a-fighter-would-be-great-were-you-right-or-wrong/16572/72 "2024-12-18T19:02:18Z")
Early as far as MMA for Ray Mercer. Anyone remember the odds for this bout? Wondering if the odds were close at all. I remember Randy Couture being heavily favored over James Lights Out Toney for their fight. . IIRC: Joe Rogan said after the stoppage, “Well we learned what we learned in UFC 1.” [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/uploads/og/original/3X/e/5/e50edd918757e24ff54b455da5c3ab27c2da14d2.jpeg "Tim Sylvia VS Ray Mercer") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUx9OE7DZAo) [Previous page](https://og.discourse.group/t/early-fights-that-made-you-think-a-fighter-would-be-great-were-you-right-or-wrong/16572.md?page=3)