# Velasquez vs Lesnar **URL:** \ **Category:** UltimateGround\ **Created:** [August 23, 2024, 2:55am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638 "2024-08-23T02:55:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![HongKongPhooey](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/og.discourse.group/hongkongphooey/32/130745_2.png) [@HongKongPhooey](https://og.discourse.group/u/HongKongPhooey)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2024, 3:28pm UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/41 "2024-08-30T15:28:33Z")
> [@CanTheWolfDan](#): > > but a little… uh Titarded if LOL ---
**Author:** ![King\_Canuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc8723/32.png) [@King\_Canuck](https://og.discourse.group/u/King_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 3:21am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/42 "2024-09-04T03:21:54Z")
> [@gordash2004](#): > > Nah he crumpled in that fight too, and then Shane gassed and got reversed. If Shane could have kept the pressure that fight would have been over. Except that’s not what happened. Brock stayed in the fight and won I don’t like brock and wanted carwin to win. But saying brock folded is wrong. He got rocked and could have folded but stayed around and got the W ---
**Author:** ![Non\_N00B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/2bfe46/32.png) [@Non\_N00B](https://og.discourse.group/u/Non_N00B)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 4:25am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/43 "2024-09-04T04:25:56Z")
He folded. The ref not stoping it like they stop 99% of these fight and people say “no way he was getting out of that” afterward is the reason he won. By any other fight standards he lost and was TKO’d ---
**Author:** ![Butthole](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/og.discourse.group/butthole/32/84891_2.png) [@Butthole](https://og.discourse.group/u/Butthole)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 4:30am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/44 "2024-09-04T04:30:00Z")
Standards of today, sure. But that’s why the ufc sucks now. Get dropped once and don’t fully recover instantly and the fights over. ---
**Author:** ![Non\_N00B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/2bfe46/32.png) [@Non\_N00B](https://og.discourse.group/u/Non_N00B)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 8:18am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/45 "2024-09-04T08:18:18Z")
It’s been that way for years and years. It’s a way for them or the sports books to control outcomes, and with the big money involved in gambling on fights, it’s no surprise. ---
**Author:** ![gordash2004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@gordash2004](https://og.discourse.group/u/gordash2004)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 11:41am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/46 "2024-09-04T11:41:24Z")
You could see it that way. I’m going with my assessment though lol ---
**Author:** ![Squishy\_Steel](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/og.discourse.group/squishy_steel/32/71173_2.png) [@Squishy\_Steel](https://og.discourse.group/u/Squishy_Steel)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 12:41pm UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/47 "2024-09-04T12:41:02Z")
> [@King\_Canuck](#): > > Except that’s not what happened. Brock stayed in the fight and won > > I don’t like brock and wanted carwin to win. But saying brock folded is wrong. He got rocked and could have folded but stayed around and got the W I have to agree. [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/uploads/og/original/3X/e/6/e6a956191df85804b014231f8cfceeb077fa511f.jpeg "UFC Classic: Brock Lesnar vs Shane Carwin | FREE FIGHT") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u7-h8VNXX0) It’s not like Brock was saved by the bell or anything. 🤷 At the end of the round, Brock had Carwin pressed against the cage kneeing his legs. Nobody else had even made it to that bell yet. ---
**Author:** ![King\_Canuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc8723/32.png) [@King\_Canuck](https://og.discourse.group/u/King_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 1:13pm UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/48 "2024-09-04T13:13:50Z")
> [@gordash2004](#): > > You could see it that way. I’m going with my assessment though lol Except the way I saw it is what happened He got rocked…. Stayed in the fight and ended up winning There is no alternate reality. Ref “should have” stopped the fight? Why? Brock ended up coming back to win? I don’t like brock at all But he didn’t fold. He took a beating and didn’t tap/ fold / get KO’d and he came back to win ---
**Author:** ![King\_Canuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc8723/32.png) [@King\_Canuck](https://og.discourse.group/u/King_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 1:15pm UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/49 "2024-09-04T13:15:09Z")
> [@Non\_N00B](#): > > He folded. The ref not stoping it like they stop > 99% of these fight and people say “no way he was getting out of that” afterward is the reason he won. By any other fight standards he lost and was TKO’d Was he knocked out? But he did “get out of it” ---
**Author:** ![gordash2004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@gordash2004](https://og.discourse.group/u/gordash2004)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/50 "2024-09-04T13:27:57Z")
I like Brock, he crumpled and Carwin took his foot off the gas pedal and Brock came back. Brock’s an excellent hammer but if you can apply equal or greater pressure these bulls break. ---
**Author:** ![lurking10er](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/og.discourse.group/lurking10er/32/3785_2.png) [@lurking10er](https://og.discourse.group/u/lurking10er)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 1:33pm UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/51 "2024-09-04T13:33:35Z")
Carwin ran out of gas punching Brock’s arms. Wonder if in hindsight the better move would have been to simply back up and let Brock stand back up. Carwin certainly could have rocked him again. What an exciting fight that was. ---
**Author:** ![gordash2004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@gordash2004](https://og.discourse.group/u/gordash2004)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 2:24pm UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/52 "2024-09-04T14:24:41Z")
crazy fight. We need another athletic monster in the UFC again. ---
**Author:** ![Non\_N00B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/2bfe46/32.png) [@Non\_N00B](https://og.discourse.group/u/Non_N00B)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 2:26pm UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/53 "2024-09-04T14:26:15Z")
How many fights are stopped on the ground with a legit knock out? How many of those fights would be different if they let the guy curl up in a ball and take 700 punches? ---
**Author:** ![King\_Canuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc8723/32.png) [@King\_Canuck](https://og.discourse.group/u/King_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 3:37pm UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/54 "2024-09-04T15:37:29Z")
> [@Non\_N00B](#): > > How many fights are stopped on the ground with a legit knock out? How many of those fights would be different if they let the guy curl up in a ball and take 700 punches? You stop a fight when the guy on the bottom is not defending AnD taking damage. That obviously wasn’t case. He wasn’t taking damage because he got up and finished the fight with his own W ---
**Author:** ![Non\_N00B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/2bfe46/32.png) [@Non\_N00B](https://og.discourse.group/u/Non_N00B)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 3:05am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/55 "2024-09-06T03:05:33Z")
Covering in a ball is not often considered defending and is how literally damn near every TKO is stopped. Lesnar fight was given more leeway than almost any TKO scenario on the ground I’ve ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![King\_Canuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc8723/32.png) [@King\_Canuck](https://og.discourse.group/u/King_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 3:29am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/56 "2024-09-06T03:29:31Z")
> [@Non\_N00B](#): > > Covering in a ball is not often considered defending and is how literally damn near every TKO is stopped. Lesnar fight was given more leeway than almost any TKO scenario on the ground I’ve ever seen. But he wasn’t taking damage. If he was he wouldn’t have been able to get up and finish carwin. A fight is a fight. And brock took carwins best. Stayed in and got the W. There is no alternate facts right… there wasn’t a bad standup - illegal shot etc. brock took a pounding and then turned it around and finished the fight himself ---
**Author:** ![Thrill\_Hammer](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/og.discourse.group/thrill_hammer/32/9_2.png) [@Thrill\_Hammer](https://og.discourse.group/u/Thrill_Hammer)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 3:31am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/57 "2024-09-06T03:31:29Z")
“Brock Smash!” Mimes fucking a stool" - Joe Rogan ---
**Author:** ![Butthole](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/og.discourse.group/butthole/32/84891_2.png) [@Butthole](https://og.discourse.group/u/Butthole)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 3:39am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/58 "2024-09-06T03:39:19Z")
Agreed, but if that fight takes place today carwin gets the tko win. Same for pat barry vs kongo ---
**Author:** ![Non\_N00B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/2bfe46/32.png) [@Non\_N00B](https://og.discourse.group/u/Non_N00B)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 5:19am UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/59 "2024-09-06T05:19:38Z")
“Then he wouldn’t have been able to get up and finish Carwin” Okay then almost every other TKO is null n void using this logic. “You can lay on the ground and get punched over and over and over and over but since you’re in the fetal position, we won’t stop it THIS time, and the other fighter who is used to fights being stopped for this exact reason can punch himself out (but cant just kick you in the face and end it instantly in any non ufc scenario) and we will let you take brain damage until the bell” If Carwin knew they were going to just let him Curl up in a pile of jacks links and gloves and take 152 punches, then get a chance to recover, he likely does something different. You know, because that’s how almost every other fight that ended up in this situation ended in history. ---
**Author:** ![King\_Canuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc8723/32.png) [@King\_Canuck](https://og.discourse.group/u/King_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638/60 "2024-09-07T21:13:48Z")
> [@Non\_N00B](#): > > “Then he wouldn’t have been able to get up and finish Carwin” > > Okay then almost every other TKO is null n void using this logic. “You can lay on the ground and get punched over and over and over and over but since you’re in the fetal position, we won’t stop it THIS time, and the other fighter who is used to fights being stopped for this exact reason can punch himself out (but cant just kick you in the face and end it instantly in any non ufc scenario) and we will let you take brain damage until the bell” > > If Carwin knew they were going to just let him > Curl up in a pile of jacks links and gloves and take 152 punches, then get a chance to recover, he likely does something different. You know, because that’s how almost every other fight that ended up in this situation ended in history. He should have done something different. Like do damage… usually they stop the fight to protect the fighter from taking more damage. He obviously wasn’t taking enough because A. The fight wasn’t stopped and B. He got up and eventually won [Previous page](https://og.discourse.group/t/velasquez-vs-lesnar/2638.md?page=2)