But at least hapkido is a hybrid art. It has great grab escapes combined with the striking of Tang Soo Do. It has some Judo in it too.
I remember using hapkido grab defenses against wrestlers when they thought they had wrist control. They were wondering how the heck I did it.
And thereâs a hundred styles of hapkido. My instructor was in country clearing buildings in Iraq for 10 years and his style reflects that. Really, it focused on knife and gun techniques but there were a lot of open hand techniques as a last resort.
Really, there are only 6 types of joints in the human body and they move in very limited ways so thereâs 12 basic joint manipulations. If a technique requires more than 2 or 3 steps to complete, it wonât work in combat esp against multiple aggressors.
Given that baseline, a very compact and effective fighting art can emerge. But, it is not MMA. It has no butt scoot either.
The style of aikido the Tokyo riot police use is effective for restraint and redirection, for example
Aiki is as varied as an art can get but the long hair cali types pushing it are an embarrassment
Iâve trained Judo and other arts my whole life. Iâve sparred with all the types there are. Aikido techniques or any standing joint locks, all work much better if you know Judo/wrestling and use a strike/strikes combined with the throw. Imho, the lack of aliveness is the problem. âTomikiâ style Aikido sorta tried to help this but it still isnât like real resistance.
My sensei was Tokyo police/swat captain. The style of jiu jitsu/Judo we practiced (along with Olympic style) was basically right from the Tokyo police dojo. Judo was the base (nauseating amounts of newaza/free rolling) along with Kendo, to give a live fighting ability. Then the standing joint locks/throws were much easier when you are already a Judo black belt. Imagine the hapkido/Aikido style joint lock throws but with strikes mixed in and many throws designed to direct uke into a bad fall while their arm is locked.
Example#1: Opponent grabs double lapel>grab wrist and apply waki gatame as in the Gracie self defense style.
Example#2: Opponent grabs double lapel>simultaneously throw low kick or knee while grabbing the wrist>combine uchi mata or low stab tai otoshi with the waki gatame and smash the person into the ground face first, snapping their shit.
Oh, I also have to add that hapkido practices against punching to the face and body, not overhand chops. We did overhand crap once or twice as warm up drills.
I get aiki is trying to teach fluidity but starting hard is the best way to do it not starting soft
Its almost a toss up between which âmartialâ art is at the very bottom of the list between systema and aikido. Everytime I think its one, the other does something to take the title. Aikido is an absolute joke. Yes, Ive done it. Not a lot, but enough to realize that it is an absolute sham and the people who believe in it do so on faith, not reality.
Like every martial art ⌠it depends on the guy doing it âŚ
Hapkido practices this type of stuff also
I knew a guy who did both judo and hapkido. His hapkido throws seemed pretty effective & painful. Some were like arm/wrist locks in the throw. Thatâs the only experience I had with it but could definitely see it working with bjj.
people are still training tma?
Combining Judo, Hapkido, and BJJ would create a street-effective style of MA.
No mishmash needed, old style hapkido without the high kicks and b******* would be just a fine, no sport crap in there like BJJ has become
Works great against fat farm boys 
What was old style hapkido? Was it more grappling focused?
TradHAP was basically a âKoreanizedâ version of Daito-ryu with some Judo added. Eventually, Tang Soo Do was added into the mix.
I donât think much has changed.
Yep ⌠Samurai techniques⌠Open hand techniques developed from sword techs. Takeda trained ueshiba and , indirectly, Choi a Korean⌠Thereâs a lot of discussion around that but Choi def had skills
After training on Japan for 20 years he went back to Korea after the Korean war. He had about 8 main students so there were several main branches and schools. Some were judo Masters that added HKD, some were tkd, others wrestling, etc
The school my instructor got his masterâs license under was Chung who only really trained hkd under choi. Chung watched his family get killed during the war so he was pretty serious about training.
Everything Chung did and put into his training was extremely effective and not flashy in any way. But, The taekwondo people got most of the students though. Koreans love flashy too
Bong soo hong, aka Billy Jack, added all kinds of flashy stuff this style is basically taekwondo, a little judo and some shoulder techniques. Popular in America, not so much in Korea.
Yup. TradHAP used below-the-belt kicks. They added the flashy kicks when the TSD/TKD guys got involved.
this thread is making me think mma taught people nothing
Mma is still sport
There is really nothing realistic about MMA fighting. There is a padded ring, a ring with boundaries, a referee, rules, padded gloves, time limits, the ability to tap out, helpers in your corner, a corner to retreat to and rest and receive medical care and hydration and The ability to stop the match at will
Also youâre fighting one person only.
Also, you know the other guy doesnât have a gun, knife and you know that theyâre not actually trying to kill you. If you lose, so what?
Thatâs sport and not getting attacked by 3 guys in a very dark corner of a parking lot, one of which may have a knife.
Hell, think of how much MMA training or change if it was a random element that one or both of the people in the ring had a hidden knife. Do you think youâd fuck around in the guard if that were a possibility?
What if you could have a knife? You might learn how to actually use it effectively
If you still donât see my point⌠Then good luck to you. I LOVED pancrase training. Sub wrestling is chess for the mind and body. But ⌠Time and aging sux and there is a better way to win a fight
yeah a knife changes everything. so does a street. so do multiple people. youâre right.
that being said, i havenât seen anything better than mma used intelligently with situational awareness.
just glad you didnât make the âthey donât use it in the ring cuz they could kill somebodyâ kung fu argument. also if these tma guys arenât live sparring with consequenses itâs all total bullshit. and i never see tma guys going hard beyond wrestling over a plastic knife.
love to see it though if itâs out there.
