Alex Pereira vs Prime Crocop

[PrideWasBetter]

@IceCold

Once again randleman didnt outstrike him, he landed one big punch; just because someone got a KO doesnt automatically mean they outstruck the other person

Exactly. Blacksplosiveness can KO anyone. Lots of fighters throughout history have been KOd by one by guys that otherwise are not anywhere near their level.

[PrideWasBetter]

@crabScissors

Nog in 2005-2006 was the best heavyweight submission artist on earth.

And there isnt a Heavyweight in MMA near his level now nor has their been since maybe Werdum

[buddie]

@crabScissors

Fighting is such a weird sport. MMA is different than most sports for some reason.

In most sports people get remembered for their highest point. In MMA people get remembered for their lowest points.

Excellent post. Almost all great fighters hang on too long. Unlike in most sports, when they can’t compete with the best players anymore, they find the next guy. When you fall in love with a fighter, you are almost guaranteed to get your heart broken.

[Canooke]

@crabScissors

4 years into their MMA careers (not even counting Alex’s dabbling before he came into MMA seriousl), same number of fights, Mirko has a more impressive record than AP does.

“The first four years” seems like a convenient span to compare. It cuts off some of Mirko’s losses that occurred before he was old at all. Poatan has a better record that Mirko did, even being charitable and cutting off some of Mirko’s losses that happened when he was up there in age.

Israel, Strickland, and Hill are all tough strikers. He stopped them all. Nobody else has beaten Stickland by anything other than a split decision in six years.

[Canooke]

@buddie

@crabScissors

Fighting is such a weird sport. MMA is different than most sports for some reason.

In most sports people get remembered for their highest point. In MMA people get remembered for their lowest points.

Excellent post. Almost all great hang on too long. Unlike in most sports, when they can’t compete with the best players anymore, they find the next guy. When you fall in love with a fighter, you are almost guaranteed to get your heart broken.

Some, like Mirko, fight on to the ripe old age of 29!

[onepunchJD]

@Canooke

More than that, let’s look at all of Mirko’s losses where he was out struck, that took place before the age of 33. He was younger than 33 for all of these losses:

You still haven’t explained why this arbitrary age in numbers means anything…

[Canooke]

@PrideWasBetter

@Megladong

I can’t believe you guys are ignoring the very substantial weight difference. It is a night and day difference. You can argue about their respective skills and abilities all you want, but no way could Poatan beat the MUCH bigger and stronger Cro Cop…

I mentioned it

They’re both about 220-225. Unless we’re talking about Mirko when he was past his Pride days, but you guys say that’s not the best version. Mirko is what? 6’2"? Poatan is 6’4"

Both 220 to 225.

Get the time machine.

[onepunchJD]

@Canooke

because you guys are saying that his fighting prime was when he was a sperm, and that when he hit the egg he was never quite as good.

This is some disingenuous bullshit.

Sorry man… you’re one of my favorite dudes.

But this is just silly.

[Canooke]

@onepunchJD

@Canooke

because you guys are saying that his fighting prime was when he was a sperm, and that when he hit the egg he was never quite as good.

This is some disingenuous bullshit.

Sorry man… you’re one of my favorite dudes.

But this is just silly.

Disingenuous? No. It’s a joke and an exaggeration rooted in a truth, in order to convey that truth, and maybe have a laugh.

[onepunchJD]

@Canooke

Cro Cop also has the submission loss to Nog. You can put that next to Poatan’s submission loss.

What?

Big Nog is a top 5 HW all time to this day!

There is ZERO shame in losing to him.

[Canooke]

@onepunchJD

@Canooke

Cro Cop also has the submission loss to Nog. You can put that next to Poatan’s submission loss.

What?

Big Nog is a top 5 HW all time to this day!

There is ZERO shame in losing to him.

There is zero shame in Poatan getting RNC’d in his first MMA fight when he had previously been a pure striker, and was crossing over to MMA.

[onepunchJD]

@Canooke

@Megladong

I can’t believe you guys are ignoring the very substantial weight difference. It is a night and day difference. You can argue about their respective skills and abilities all you want, but no way could Poatan beat the MUCH bigger and stronger Cro Cop…

Correct me if I’m wrong here, but I think that in Cro Cop’s early Pride days, the days his supporters are calling his best, he was lighter than 220. When he was in the UFC he was much bigger, but Cro Cop’s supporters are saying he wasn’t as good by then.

I just looked it up and Cro Cop was 220 against Fedor. I think he was 5-8 pounds lighter in some of his Pride fights before that.

A quick google search says Poatan weighs close to, or as much as, 230 before a cut.

So, they can fight each other at 220. Same size, more or less.

Or if the 240 pound No Mas version of Cro Cop wants to show up against 220-230 pound Poatan, that’s fine too.

And how big were their respective opponents?

Both MMA and kickboxing.

[onepunchJD]

@Canooke

You guys have WAY too much context for Mirko’s duffel bag full of losses. He lost a lot more than Alex and his losses are worse.

Alex lost by submission in his first MMA fight, coming over from kickboxing, and he lost to Israel, whom he’s also beater. That’s much tidier than Mirko’s record, even excluding Mirko’s record past the age of 32.

Cro Cop fought vastly better and more dangerous fighters – both in MMA and kickboxing.

[Canooke]

@onepunchJD

@Canooke

@Megladong

I can’t believe you guys are ignoring the very substantial weight difference. It is a night and day difference. You can argue about their respective skills and abilities all you want, but no way could Poatan beat the MUCH bigger and stronger Cro Cop…

Correct me if I’m wrong here, but I think that in Cro Cop’s early Pride days, the days his supporters are calling his best, he was lighter than 220. When he was in the UFC he was much bigger, but Cro Cop’s supporters are saying he wasn’t as good by then.

I just looked it up and Cro Cop was 220 against Fedor. I think he was 5-8 pounds lighter in some of his Pride fights before that.

A quick google search says Poatan weighs close to, or as much as, 230 before a cut.

So, they can fight each other at 220. Same size, more or less.

Or if the 240 pound No Mas version of Cro Cop wants to show up against 220-230 pound Poatan, that’s fine too.

And how big were their respective opponents?

Both MMA and kickboxing.

It goes both ways. Some of Cro Cop’s opponents were big dudes, but he fought some little guys too. Takada, Sakuraba, Randleman, Wanderlei…not big guys relative to light heavyweights and heavyweights.

[buddie]

@Canooke

Some, like Mirko, fight on to the ripe old age of 29!

If I’m not mistaken, Mirko fought and won at age 45 or 46 against TUF winner Roy Nelson.

[Canooke]

@onepunchJD

@Canooke

You guys have WAY too much context for Mirko’s duffel bag full of losses. He lost a lot more than Alex and his losses are worse.

Alex lost by submission in his first MMA fight, coming over from kickboxing, and he lost to Israel, whom he’s also beater. That’s much tidier than Mirko’s record, even excluding Mirko’s record past the age of 32.

Cro Cop flight vastly better and more dangerous fighters – both in MMA and kickboxing.

Let’s stick to MMA. I don’t think Cro Cop fought better fighters. Poatan definitely has the better record.

[onepunchJD]

@Canooke

@onepunchJD

@Canooke

Cro Cop also has the submission loss to Nog. You can put that next to Poatan’s submission loss.

What?

Big Nog is a top 5 HW all time to this day!

There is ZERO shame in losing to him.

There is zero shame in Poatan getting RNC’d in his first MMA fight when he had previously been a pure striker, and was crossing over to MMA.

Ok…

So does Alex have any KO/TKO losses in kickboxing?

Want to compare opponents resumes?

[onepunchJD]

@Canooke

Let’s stick to MMA. I don’t think Cro Cop fought better fighters. Poatan definitely has the better record.

I don’t think this is even remotely close to being true.

Also – why leave kickboxing out of a fight that would probably be decided on the feet?

If anything, Cro Cop is more likely to take the fight to the ground and be successful there.

[crabScissors]

@Canooke

“The first four years” seems like a convenient span to compare. It cuts off some of Mirko’s losses that occurred before he was old at all.

You’re completely missing the point.

The point I’ve been making from the beginning is that at the same point in their careers, records were at least equal. There’s plenty of time for AP to have bad losses. So it’s pretty unfair to compare the back half of Mirko’s career with the peak of APs.

[crabScissors]

I highly doubt AP has half the longevity Mirko did either, by the way. He had some bad losses but he went out on a good run.