AI ranks top 10 athletes of all time; JBJ makes the list

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He uses blitzes similar to Machida who found good success.

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He uses blitzes similar to Machida who found good success.

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AI is fucking stupid and coded to be left pro-activist, progressive leaning.

I’ve watched a lot of combat sports and Ali, nor Jon Jones is even close to the GOAT.

Even someone like prime RJJ smoked both of them if you actually watched him. Watch that man in his prime against B-hop, Toney and everyone esle he matrixed. He was a walking miracle with gloves.

On the eye test alone he blows both of them out the fucking water.

Agree about Jones.

But RJJ?
I think he’s one of the best and most gifted ever at his peak.

But Ali was every bit of that in the arguable best era for HWs.

Ali was great but no man on earth was prime RJJ… winning titles from MW all the way up to HW.

RJJ definitely has his place in boxing history.
Amazing fighter.

And his HW title is definitely impressive.
But it’s not like he stuck around to keep proving it.

I can’t see ranking him over Ali.

But we all have our reasons justifying our opinions…

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Jones is the best LHW ever.

But when people try to call him the GOAT and especially when they try so assert that he could beat all these elite HWs – even though he has not once fought one of them anywhere near their peaks – I’m simply not having it.

I don’t want to talk about Jones.

I’m with you on that

But, I will say…as someone who puts Fedor as the GOAT HW and has deeply studied both of those guys games…I’m very, very happy those two never actually fought to prove who was better one way or the other

Their peaks didn’t overlap.

My money would be on Fedor.

He wouldn’t sit back and play hesitant patty-cake like Stipe just did.
And Fedor had the hips to avoid a lot of what Jones does for takedowns.

Dammit…
I’m talking about Jones again!

Stop it.

It takes more than hips to stop a tall greco guy from launching you. DC has better hips than Fedor for example and Jones took him down whenever he felt like

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DC has better hips than Fedor

I don’t know about that.
Fedor was slick as hell, and had great instincts to go with great reflex.

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It takes more than hips to stop a tall greco guy from launching you. DC has better hips than Fedor for example and Jones took him down whenever he felt like

Fedor demonstrated a much higher level of ability for kuzushi in the clinch than DC has.

If strikes are in play, Fedor beats DC in Greco

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Not to say he beats Jon in the clinch necessarily, but he is has in practice been in the top 3 clinch fighters in MMA history. Jon’s in that same top 3 though.

As a fan of Greco and clinch work I would absolutely love to see them boys clinch it up

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It takes more than hips to stop a tall greco guy from launching you. DC has better hips than Fedor for example and Jones took him down whenever he felt like

Fedor demonstrated a much higher level of ability for kuzushi in the clinch than DC has.

If strikes are in play, Fedor beats DC in Greco

Maybe I’m forgetting but when the hell has Fedor shown any Greco ability? He has good hips and used the ropes to escape clinches. If strikes are in play it isn’t wrestling.

In a Greco match, DC techs or pins Fedor almost immediately.

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Not to say he beats Jon in the clinch necessarily, but he is has in practice been in the top 3 clinch fighters in MMA history. Jon’s in that same top 3 though.

As a fan of Greco and clinch work I would absolutely love to see them boys clinch it up

Even if the skills were equal, Jones is much taller. It’s very difficult to clinch a taller man who is very good.

Fedor would be stuck on the outside like everyone else if they fought. Maybe he lands a big shot or maybe he takes kick after kick from range like everyone else.

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Fedor would be stuck on the outside like everyone else if they fought. Maybe he lands a big shot or maybe he takes kick after kick from range like everyone else.

Getting into the clinch with strikes is something Fedor is the best ever in MMA at. You have a better chance convincing me Jones beats him in the clinch than convincing me he keeps him stuck on the outside. This isn’t rampage or Stipe we’re talking about, all due respect to Rampage.

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Maybe I’m forgetting but when the hell has Fedor shown any Greco ability?

He airmailed Chael when they fought and completely dominated the clinch exchanges. Chael is a very accomplished Greco guy.

When people got clinched by Fedor, they got off balanced and put on their ass. Mostly ouchi and kosoto, a few of the high kneetaps and sag headlocks.

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Not to say he beats Jon in the clinch necessarily, but he is has in practice been in the top 3 clinch fighters in MMA history. Jon’s in that same top 3 though.

As a fan of Greco and clinch work I would absolutely love to see them boys clinch it up

Even if the skills were equal, Jones is much taller. It’s very difficult to clinch a taller man who is very good.

Fedor would be stuck on the outside like everyone else if they fought. Maybe he lands a big shot or maybe he takes kick after kick from range like everyone else.

Jones turned and got on his bike vs Stipe.

Fedor cleans his clock IMO.

There is a ring vs cage aspect to consider, because peak Fedor was in a ring.

But 5 rounds is a long time for Jones to avoid a meaningful exchange beyond teeps and eye pokes, cage or not.

Fedor isn’t Rampage or Shogun plodding forward and headhunting.
His bombs blended fluidly with high level throws.
It was a constant dual-threat.

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Getting into the clinch with strikes is something Fedor is the best ever in MMA at. You have a better chance convincing me Jones beats him in the clinch than convincing me he keeps him stuck on the outside. This isn’t rampage or Stipe we’re talking about, all due respect to Rampage.

I posted before I read yours…

Good post lol.

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Fedor isn’t Rampage or Shogun plodding forward and headhunting.
His bombs blended fluidly with high level throws.
It was a constant dual-threat.

This. I don’t think people who haven’t fought that style of crashing fluidly into the clinch on violent strikes can really appreciate how different it is than “I’m going to box from this range in this stance, maybe step in and grab a collar to enter the clinch”

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Not to say he beats Jon in the clinch necessarily, but he is has in practice been in the top 3 clinch fighters in MMA history. Jon’s in that same top 3 though.

As a fan of Greco and clinch work I would absolutely love to see them boys clinch it up

Even if the skills were equal, Jones is much taller. It’s very difficult to clinch a taller man who is very good.

Fedor would be stuck on the outside like everyone else if they fought. Maybe he lands a big shot or maybe he takes kick after kick from range like everyone else.

Jones turned and got on his bike vs Stipe.

Fedor cleans his clock IMO.

There is a ring vs cage aspect to consider, because peak Fedor was in a ring.

But 5 rounds is a long time for Jones to avoid a meaningful exchange beyond teeps and eye pokes, cage or not.

Fedor isn’t Rampage or Shogun plodding forward and headhunting.
His bombs blended fluidly with high level throws.
It was a constant dual-threat.

Before DC lost to Jones, you could have said all the same things about him.

A 6’ fighter giving up that much reach would be a big problem against Jones. Fedor doesn’t even have the advantage of being the bigger man.

I don’t see how Fedor ever gets started against Jones. I agree he would eventually lunge in with casting punches but I think that would just lead to him being taken down or stifled against the cage or ropes.

Jones is not a great match up for Fedor

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I don’t see how Fedor ever gets started against Jones. I agree he would eventually lunge in with casting punches but I think that would just lead to him being taken down or stifled against the cage or ropes

I just don’t see how the overhand + same side step he does with his right to get into the clinch opens him up to takedowns. Maybe prolonged clinch exchanges where Jon wears on him like did rampage and DC. But unless you’re talking about Jon tripping or throwing from the clinch after the dust settles from the casting hook entry, I’m not seeing it.

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Not to say he beats Jon in the clinch necessarily, but he is has in practice been in the top 3 clinch fighters in MMA history. Jon’s in that same top 3 though.

As a fan of Greco and clinch work I would absolutely love to see them boys clinch it up

Even if the skills were equal, Jones is much taller. It’s very difficult to clinch a taller man who is very good.

Fedor would be stuck on the outside like everyone else if they fought. Maybe he lands a big shot or maybe he takes kick after kick from range like everyone else.

Jones turned and got on his bike vs Stipe.

Fedor cleans his clock IMO.

There is a ring vs cage aspect to consider, because peak Fedor was in a ring.

But 5 rounds is a long time for Jones to avoid a meaningful exchange beyond teeps and eye pokes, cage or not.

Fedor isn’t Rampage or Shogun plodding forward and headhunting.
His bombs blended fluidly with high level throws.
It was a constant dual-threat.

Before DC lost to Jones, you could have said all the same things about him.

A 6’ fighter giving up that much reach would be a big problem against Jones. Fedor doesn’t even have the advantage of being the bigger man.

I don’t see how Fedor ever gets started against Jones. I agree he would eventually lunge in with casting punches but I think that would just lead to him being taken down or stifled against the cage or ropes.

Jones is not a great match up for Fedor

Who has Jones fought that resembles Fedor’s attack?

I wouldn’t say DC because he’s different, especially in the second fight.

People compare Fedor and DC because of body types.
But I haven’t seen DC blend his approach the way Fedor did.
He was more apt to use the cage IIRC.

Fedor fought taller fighters before.

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Jones is not a great match up for Fedor

To be fair, I kind of agree. But not for the reasons you think.

I think he struggles with Jon because Jon is very good in the clinch so I don’t think it matters Fedor gets him there. And I don’t know if Fedor’s floating top game after his throws would do well against Jon. He’s very loosely connected on top, not a pinning guy.

Fedor’s much more of a “you can always get to turtle but I’m going to crush you as you go there” guy, I don’t think that works well on Jones